Please post your responses to Kristina's discussion on Wednesday. Remember that you also have to respond to Kathryn's excerpt as well.
i for one am incredibly sceptical about this movie, though it does promote something quite interesting in life. This movie is based on opposites attracting, where a stupid pretty girl could fall in love with a smart guy and actually get away with it. I think that though this movie is a little ludicris, it also proves that people should mind their own business, as abrasive as that sounds, because that is what gets cher into trouble.
Its been so long since I last saw this movie, I really do not remeber much of it. From this excerpt, it seems that both the characters, Emma & Cher, are petrified that their respective others are in love ( or infactuated - i feel 'love' is too strong a term to be used in the movie 'CLUELESS' ) with their protegee/best friend.
The audience is wildly different as the movie aims at the teenage chic-fic genre while the novel targets a rather mature set of people and the language stands true to its time. I feel that Clueless is relatively faithful to the general outline of Emma, which makes it refreshing as well as entertaining.
Sandhya Kharidehal
John Killough Wangel
The two girls in the scene from clueless seem to loosely represent the girls from Emma. The script of the movie, which is obviously geared towards teens and other chic-flic enjoyers, portrays two young girls that are experiencing issues with guys. The problems these girls are dealing with however seem very shallow in comparison to the girls from Emma. While the girls of Emma were discussing class and manors, the girls of Clueless are talking about meaningless possessions such as a towel and a tape along with the new guys they like that arent quite "cool" enough.
The first noticeable difference I noticed between these two works was the modern teenage speech compared to the more classical, proper English. Reading the script brought back memories of middle school with gossipy girls who excessively overused the word "like". It is interesting, too, that this adaptation seems to fit a younger and more modern audience, as opposed to the more mature and "cultured" audience of the Austen novel. The basic storyline has remained unchanged but still, I can't help but speculate that Cher's newfound "love" for Josh does not mirror Emma's love as far as magnitude is concerned. As seen with Lindsey's presentation of She's the Man and Twelfth Night, relationships in modern day culture are taken much more lightly than they were in previous centuries.
Kristen Cone
While Emma is a popular book, it is still read mostly by women who are approximately 16 and over. The audience tends to be more mature than that of Clueless. Clueless is targeted toward teenage girls. why the shift in audience?
I am always amazed by the task of finding similarities between new films and the old versions they follow. Cher has a flippant personality, which I could not distinguish in Emma. Perhaps this is because the lingual style lends to the idea that all of the dialogue is formalized and sophisticated, regardless of the actual mood.
One thing that bugs me about this scene in Clueless/Emma is that I do not think it is believable. People do not fall in love all at once with someone that they seem to dispise. Maybe I am naive, but never in my life on any topic have I been overwhelmed with an all at once feeling or desire that I had never in anyway felt before. This occurance, however, works better in Emma than in Clueless because it is in a different time period. A time where classic ideas like love at first sight at able to work and are believable. Clueless, set in modern times, losses that sense of magic where anything is possible and love will concour allin the end.
Maybe I'm just a bitter guy. Ya, thats probably it.
Cher and Emma definitely share some similarities. Both are petrified that the man they love is in love with another woman. It's funny to see these two totally different women in two different time periods having such similar problems. I would love to have a visual of Emma and her story. I feel bad for Emma though because she is being compared to the star from clueless. Tomorrow should be an exciting presentation.
Ahhhh yes, the modern take on an old classic. (I'm not looking forward to Shia Labeouf's take on rear window though.) For the most part Clueless seems to follow Emma pretty closely, or at least stays true to the old outline. Rich girl becomes matchmaker and becomes so obssesed with other people's lives that she forgets about her own. We just have all the modern twists to make it more relevant to today's youth. We've got high school romance, frat parties, and Turk from "Scrubs" as one of the minor characters. Throw in a musical scene with The Mighty Mighty Bosstones, and you've got a classic nineties teen movie. I can't exactly say they cheapened the source material, but the whole story sounds a wee bit shallow to begin with.
Cher and Emma are experiencing the same difficulties. Emma is fearful that Mr. Knightly is about to express his love for Harriet, just as Cher was fearful about a relationship between Josh and Tai. In the end, however, both Cher and Emma get the man they want. I do see a difference between the characters though, it seems that Cher is blindly ignorant to the feelings she has for Josh, whereas Emma is well aware of her feelings but reluctant to express them. This is a difference that I feel is attributable to both the audience of each work and the time in which the work originated. Both works seems to play on the stereotypes of their era to develop the main protagonist.
I've seen Clueless and heard a loose summary of Emma and I can see the similarities. It seems that both of the characters come from rich backgrounds and are very spoiled, but want to do good in the world. Both Cher and Emma are kind of disillusioned with banality of their lives and try to find excitement by hooking people up among other things. They both are trying to prove themselves as intellectuals too. Cher's character comes off a lot less intellectual though, and I think that is mainly because of the fact that it was made pretty recently. It uses a lot of pretty lame slang of the time and her personality is the stereotypical valley girl type, whereas Emma is a more refined member of the upper class who is just bored with her life.
I find it interesting that Cher is thinking about changing her usual lifestyle just because she likes Josh. I really don't see why you should change yourself to make someone else like you. Emma and Cher both share the jealously of thinking that they man they love actually loves someone else. The two works are different in time periods so the relationship styles are different.
Bridget Kaiser
The script is two girls talking about relationship problems that they are facing, passing drivers tests, and working out life together. I really do not know what I am suppossed to get from just reading that script, but the audience is definately high school through college girls. My sister, a freshman in high school loves this movie along with Legally Blonde so I would say its for an audience like that. The attitude I gain from reading this is of two spunky girls who need guidance through life and use each other to spring board their problems and solve them out. Heartwarming story.
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brett Luskey
When the movie clueless first was in theaters I was a young teen or maybe even pre-teen. Even then I thought that the attitude of the character Cheri was shellfish and child likish.. This is simply the childish desirers that give women us famously catty, bitchy, back stabbing approach towards relationships. Women simply can resist a taken man, and Clueless is reinforcing negative stereo-types about women to a younger audience than any book could. The passage for Emma I am not sure of her next move is but I don’t think she will wish them the best and leave the happy realationship. The book wouldn’t have any twist if she didn’t try to break them up, make her self look good, and win the man over. And any girl at a party on west campus knows that all it takes is a short shirt and wide legs. Whitney Curd