Good morning.
Submitted by lfb on Wed, 03/08/2006 - 11:33am.
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Ferreira-Buckley RHE 368C
time passes so much more quickly when you are on this thing, i much prefer it. (as a female minority, hahahahahha)
I HAVE AN IDEA: let's have all of our classes on the forum. Then you can be in yr rooms, etc.
KIDDING!!
I HAVE AN IDEA: let's have all of our classes on the forum. Then you can be in yr rooms, etc.
KIDDING!!
how's his class going this sem? how many times has he called someone a 'gem'?
I would prefer that the UWC be evaluative. If you have no idea how strong your paper is, and they just keep asking you questions to get you to comment....., nothing gets done. I understand that since the consultant has no idea who the professor is, or how they're going to grade, that you can't send students away with the idea that they're going to earn an A or B. At the same time, if someone comes in with a paper about nothing, they need to know that no matter how hard they try to organize it, it's still about nothing.
can we just talk about the pay for the UWC, what do you guys think of it? how much do you think will be taken away after taxes, and how many hours are you planning on working?
$$$$
Don't get yr heart set on having lots of hours. I believe there's a ceiling, but I can't remember if it's 10 or 15.
if a student turned in a good analytical essay, but it was written in rhymed verse, would you still accept that paper?
AN IDEA FOR ALL OF YOU - PERHAPS IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE THE PAPER DUE ON WEDNESSDAY RATHER THAN THE MONDAY AFTER SPRING BREAK. This week they (and we) are crazy busy, and I don't think we should overlook the UWC visit thang.
i've checked out the SCHEDULE, and it wouldn't disrupt things overmuch. We have no class on wednessday, but could easily bring the papers by the RHE office.
WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK? necessary? unnecesary? good? bad? ugly? delicious?
I think I will choose to say that the idea is both ugly and delicious. Oh, and also that's it's mouthy. D.H. Lawrence would agree.
Clearly no one picked up on my evil twin's query about having the paper due date moved, so we'd best stick w/Monday. How silly of my eveil twin raise the possibility!
Sounds like a great idea. It would allow for another trip to the UWC after reflection over spring break.
did anyone see daniel's play? did anyone see him get bitched out by the utpd fire chief? did anyone see derek rock the theremin?
WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON BEING "NONEVALUATIVE" AS A CONSULTANT? WHEN YOU GO TO THE UWC GO YOU WANT FEEDBACK THAT IS EVALUATIVE OR NONEVALUATIVE?
Of course, these terms slip depending upon how you define them.
There's probably a line between being nonevaluative and nonhelpful- a fine line, at that. To a degree feedback has to be evaluative to provide a direction for change. On the other hand, judging too harshly can't help either. It probably depends on the consultation. Also, evaluative statements can be circumspect enough to sound nonevaluative, which is the real goal I think. Rather, you evaluate within the context of the assignment, how well it meets the specified goals (if any) and how the writer could revise/write/edit with those goals in mind. aaand I'm spent.
I think it's implicitly ridiculous, but, hey, I don't make the rules. People judge, evaluate, no matter what's going on. It's just part of our nature.
So just don't make it extra evaluative, that's my response. I, in fact, would want evaluative feedback as someone trying to get help; but I think the UWC expects that, and for that reason, purposely does not provide such feedback. It's an imperfect philosophy, in my opinion, but given the circumstances and the consultant/consultee dynamic, I think the non-evaluative philosophy does make the most sense.
Peace.
i want to be evaluated to some extent. if a consultant is too vague i don't feel like i'm being helped. at all. i could gain the same amount by reading my paper over at home w/a bottle of jack daniels
i think maybe i'd like a little bit of both. And i don't really think anyone can be truly non-evaluative all the time...evals are likely to slip out, either in body language, facial expressions, or whatever
I think there can probably be very effective consultations that are completely "nonevaluative," in the sense that they follow of the rules we are learning about. However, I think that for writers with a better grasp of their own work, a certain amount of evaluation, or at the very least more specific commentary from the consultant, could be more helpful than not.
I like evaluative feedback much better. I understand that it isn't really an option because of collusion and whatnot. That's actually one reason that I would rather have a friend read my paper and talk to me about it than go into the UWC. (I'm dead inside.)
yeah i agree. just look at the consultant's eyes, the eyes will tell you if they think your paper is pathetic or not. dodgy answers about evaluations make me think they are hiding something and i walk away more concerned than i normally am from the beginning.
It's pretty much 12:15. And I grow weary.