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COURSES > 07SP COMP AND READING IN WORLD LIT (33660... >

Forum: Avatar Chat      Times Read: 4

Date: Tue Feb 27 2007 11:25

Author: Mueller, Rachel <dancingfrogs13@yahoo.com>

Subject: The Rug Session 1

[9:00] Student13 UTexas: let us all introduce one antoher

[9:00] Student11 UTexas: greetings

[9:01] Student13 UTexas: Nice to meet all of you

[9:01] Student15 UTexas: Im garrison.

[9:01] Student9 UTexas is Online

[9:01] Student15 UTexas: second life wouldnt let me have a buzz cut. so im bald.

[9:02] Student15 UTexas: hello george

[9:02] Student12 UTexas: That's unfortunate

[9:02] Student11 UTexas: I thnk we lost Dave

[9:03] Student13 UTexas: i don't think he was supposed to be in our group

[9:03] You: So we need to determing "What is a leader?"

[9:03] Student12 UTexas: Yes

[9:03] Student12 UTexas: Eventually

[9:04] Student13 UTexas: This is a question I have lived my life by

[9:04] Student14 UTexas is Online

[9:04] Student11 UTexas: I believe a leader is one who knows himself. Who can transcend his own ego and the evils of the world and connect with himself and others in purity and love

[9:04] Student12 UTexas: Hey!

[9:05] Student12 UTexas: Sorry, I'm experimenting with gestures

[9:05] Student9 UTexas: I believe a leader someone who stands up for what the believe in regardless of the storm it stirs

[9:05] Student11 UTexas: Hello, welcome

[9:05] Student13 UTexas: I believe a leader gives hope to the hopeless

[9:05] Student11 UTexas: yes I agree

[9:05] You: I think a leader is isolated

[9:05] Student9 UTexas: represents those who may not be able to stand up for themselves

[9:05] Student11 UTexas: hopeless not only in a physical sense

[9:06] Student13 UTexas: of course

[9:06] Student11 UTexas: a leader cannot be isolated, he must be in touch with the world

[9:06] Student13 UTexas: a leader is one who doesn't allow their past to defeat them but rather use it to change the lives of others

[9:06] Student11 UTexas: to learn from their experiences

[9:06] Student12 UTexas: Can we pick one idea and discuss it?

[9:06] Student9 UTexas: but he must be isolated in that he cannot be attacthed to anything worldly--must be able to separate duty from wants

[9:07] Student9 UTexas: that might be a good idea, St. Colomba

[9:07] Student12 UTexas: What is one aspect of a leader that we would like to discuss?

[9:07] Student12 UTexas: Any ideas St. Colomba?

[9:07] Student13 UTexas: compassion

[9:07] Student9 UTexas: you pick, leader

[9:07] You: Ok, let's discuss what makes him a leader?

[9:07] Student11 UTexas: St. Columba?

[9:07] Student9 UTexas: Is anyone recording this by the way?

[9:07] You: Is that too broad?

[9:08] You: Yes, I AM

[9:08] Student11 UTexas: if you click to the right of where you type you can see the chat history

[9:08] Student11 UTexas: i mean left

[9:08] You: I got it. I promise

[9:08] Student13 UTexas: so what are we discussing

[9:08] Student12 UTexas: Ok, so what aspect of a leader do we want to focus on first?

[9:08] You: Compassion in a hero

[9:09] Student13 UTexas: i think compassion

[9:09] You: (or role model)

[9:09] Student13 UTexas: it is what i have lived my life by

[9:09] Student9 UTexas: St Columba, be a leader and take charge! you decide

[9:09] You: In what way, Oprah?

[9:09] Student12 UTexas: That's actually one of the prompts for a later discussion, compassion and leadership

[9:09] Student11 UTexas: this is true

[9:09] Student13 UTexas: well, i have always strvied to reach out to the people who need hope in their life

[9:09] You: We are trying to define a hero. Oprah said she thinks compassion is important.

[9:10] Student12 UTexas: Alright, defining a leader

[9:10] Student9 UTexas: well to be able to reach out to those who need help, one must have compassion

[9:10] Student13 UTexas: exactly

[9:10] Student9 UTexas: so both work

[9:10] You: So, Ms. Ayi, what do you think a leader is?

[9:10] Student11 UTexas: compassion comes from love, one must let love flow through them to be a leader

[9:10] Student12 UTexas: Is that enough to make one a leader?

[9:11] Student9 UTexas: I feel that a leader is someone who stands up for what they believe in, without concern for political repurcussions

[9:11] Student9 UTexas: they are the voice for oppressed who may be silenced

[9:11] Student11 UTexas: or any repurcussions, they could even face death

[9:11] Student13 UTexas: many people in the life reach a bottom low where they find themeslves defeated

[9:11] Student9 UTexas: if they are truly willing to stand up for what they believe in, death is of no consequence

[9:12] Student13 UTexas: a hero gives them the hope to believe they can reach their dreams

[9:12] You: Can someone lead in a more quiet, very unrecognized way, though?

[9:12] Student11 UTexas: but what if their dreams are flawed

[9:12] Student12 UTexas: (We are discussing leadership, not heroism)

[9:12] Student13 UTexas: that is irrelevant

[9:13] Student9 UTexas: doesnt leadership entail, taking control and organizing an otherwise unoirganized idea/group, though

[9:13] Student11 UTexas: if they dream only of material wealth, they will never be satisfied. a hero must lead them beyond that.

[9:13] Student12 UTexas: Yes, but we keep defining HERO instead of LEADER

[9:13] Student9 UTexas:

[9:13] You: So by following your dreams, you become a leader? What if that isn't an option?

[9:13] Student13 UTexas: no a leader shows others how t o follow their own dream

[9:13] Student11 UTexas: yes, they aid their quest

[9:14] Student13 UTexas: obviously there are many ways by which to do this

[9:14] Student9 UTexas: Not necessarily following dreams...rather taking the initiative to take control of something unorganized, whether it be an idea, a people, etc

[9:14] Student9 UTexas: in my opinion

[9:14] Student13 UTexas: financially, phyisically, mentally

[9:15] Student11 UTexas: spiritually

[9:15] Student12 UTexas: Does being a leader necessarily imply that the individual organizes in some way or another? What if they simply set an example

[9:15] Student13 UTexas: to set a proper example some organization and planning is required

[9:15] You: I feel like I was deprived of the ability to lead in my life because I was exiled. I had no one to set an example to

[9:15] Student11 UTexas: Rosa Parks was a leader in that respect

[9:15] Student9 UTexas: by setting an example, they are setting a precedent that should, in theory, have a following...people following their example of leadership

[9:16] Student13 UTexas: organization can follow from the set example

[9:16] You: So a leader needs followers?

[9:16] Student9 UTexas: and thus, organizing more people to stand up and do something

[9:16] Student11 UTexas: they may not actively organize but their actions indirectly lead to revolutionary ideas and eventual organization

[9:16] Student13 UTexas: for example the oprah winfrey foundation i began enables people all over the world to donate money to help underprivalaged kids

[9:17] Student12 UTexas: Not necessarily. I consider myself a leader, and I did not stand up against political opposition or organize any sort of movement.

[9:17] Student11 UTexas: not followers, I believe a person can be a leader in spite of extreme adversity. Perhaps no one believes in their cause? Then they would have no followers

[9:17] You: So do you feel that action in itself showed leadership?

[9:17] You: (orpah)

[9:17] Student12 UTexas: I spent my entire life learning and shared that knowledge with others

[9:17] Student13 UTexas: not necessarily a movement but simply ACTION must follow

[9:17] Student13 UTexas: action to help, to learn etc.

[9:18] Student12 UTexas: So the leader must influence others to change or act in some way they weren't acting or living before?

[9:18] Student9 UTexas: but a leader cant forsee the actions of others...they cant force others to act

[9:18] Student9 UTexas: only hope to inspire them

[9:18] Student13 UTexas: they can inspire

[9:18] Student9 UTexas: so leadership cant necessitate action, necessarily

[9:18] You: Good point.

[9:18] Student11 UTexas: exactly. It is this hope that others will be fulfilled that defines the compassion and love characteristic of leaders.

[9:19] Student13 UTexas: how can one inspire without doing anything?

[9:19] You: Maybe just by allowing others to observe their life.

[9:19] Student11 UTexas: Just by living and loving they set an example.

[9:19] Student9 UTexas: what? the leader does something but they cant guarantee that others will also do something

[9:19] Student11 UTexas: They don't need the guarantee, only the hope.

[9:19] Student13 UTexas: ok the leader has to do SOMETHING for others to notice and follow

[9:20] You: making others"do something" is not the goal of all leaders, i don't believe.

[9:20] Student12 UTexas: Well what if the leader doesn't even hold the goal of inspiring others?

[9:20] Student9 UTexas: but just by "living and loving" doesnt that constitute leading without action--like we discussed earlier, is leading quietly an option?

[9:20] You: If others follow, he or she is still a leader

[9:20] Student12 UTexas: Perhaps a leader is one who strives to inspire others, whereas a role model acts as just that, without the intent of influencing others

[9:20] Student13 UTexas: they don't need to, bu they still have to be doing something insipring in their own life that others can notice

[9:20] Student11 UTexas: yes most definately

[9:20] Student11 UTexas: a leader should not strive for the spotlight, for himself to be noticed

[9:20] Student13 UTexas: yes

[9:20] Student9 UTexas: fair enough

[9:21] Student13 UTexas: they act with the goal of helping others

[9:21] Student12 UTexas: Not necessarily

[9:21] Student9 UTexas: but then how can they inspire if their actions go unnoticed?

[9:21] You: but some people we consider leaders do try to get attention. not all leaders are good.

[9:21] Student13 UTexas: this is true

[9:21] Student13 UTexas: hitler was one of he greatest leaders in history

[9:21] Student11 UTexas: They must also help themselves, and as a consequence their love reaches out to others.

[9:22] Student11 UTexas: It depends on one's personal goals as to how they view a leader.

[9:22] Student12 UTexas: Just for the sake of making sure we're all on the same page as we're discussing....

[9:22] You: I think Hitler is a good example, though. He didn't love very much as far as i know

[9:22] Student12 UTexas: Well never mind, we are soon out of time

[9:22] Student13 UTexas: he loved germany

[9:22] Student9 UTexas: and himself

[9:22] Student13 UTexas: that was his cause

[9:23] You: Good points. So in conclusion, we think a leader...

[9:23] Student11 UTexas: He certainly led, but he did not lead down the path of righteousness.

[9:23] You: has a following?

[9:23] Student9 UTexas: inspired others

[9:23] Student9 UTexas: fulfills leadership according to our definition

[9:23] Student13 UTexas: inspires others to act/change

[9:23] You: earned attention in someway

[9:23] Student13 UTexas: was noticed

[9:23] Student12 UTexas: So the "path" determines wehter a leader -- technically a neutral word with no value attached -- is good or bad

[9:23] Student11 UTexas: yes

[9:24] Student11 UTexas: leader require no distinction, they simply live in a state free of the evils of the world

[9:24] Student12 UTexas: That brings up an interesting point, because thus far we in class we have only discussed "leader" as a very positive role and somethiing we should strive to be

[9:24] You: Good Discussion. thanks

[9:24] Student13 UTexas: good bye

Forum: Avatar Chat      Times Read: 1

Date: Tue Feb 27 2007 11:25

Author: Barry, James <bbarry5608@aol.com>

Subject: Mountain 1

[9:01] Student4 UTexas: p.s. who's saving this discussion

[9:01] Student3 UTexas: diplo is supposed to be leadng the discussion

[9:01] Student3 UTexas: and saving it

[9:01] Student2 UTexas: Good old Teddy

[9:01] You: Gaudi, you're looking super playeristic today

[9:01] Student2 UTexas: oops yes siplo

[9:01] Student9 UTexas is Online

[9:01] Student4 UTexas: diplo, are ou the blonde fellow

[9:01] Student2 UTexas: *diplo

[9:01] Student4 UTexas: isnt my jacket...fancy?

[9:01] Student3 UTexas: Gaudi get off the bench, thats for the leader

[9:02] You: Yeah. papi

[9:02] Student4 UTexas: sigh

[9:02] Student3 UTexas: Diplo, go sit on the bench

[9:02] Student2 UTexas: Well hello Gaudi

[9:02] Student4 UTexas: hello

[9:02] Student4 UTexas: grandpa?

[9:02] Student2 UTexas: Yes

[9:02] Student4 UTexas: thats what i thought

[9:03] Student4 UTexas: how's it going?

[9:03] Student2 UTexas: How is everyone's day going?

[9:03] Student3 UTexas: well, my day is going well

[9:03] Student4 UTexas: what have you accomplshed today, Malcom X

[9:03] Student2 UTexas: It is going well, I woke up at about 3:30 and just could not fall back asleep

[9:04] Student2 UTexas: CAn everyone please say their names?

[9:04] Student3 UTexas: aww, I had work his morning, where i trnsformed Mauro's avatar into myself

[9:05] Student2 UTexas: What does everyone have planned for today?

[9:05] You: Probably playing soccer with some Angolan dudes

[9:05] Student4 UTexas: i'm probably going to go on a nature hike. do some sketches. go to bed early

[9:05] Student3 UTexas: I have a guitar lesson at 4:00

[9:05] Student3 UTexas: Perhaps we should get started on the discussion

[9:06] Student4 UTexas: Ok

[9:06] Student2 UTexas: I think I am going to just sit in the TV room for awhile and take a nap on the recliner and thne I am going to go downstairs into the shop to print out theinvoice for customer # 231

[9:06] Student4 UTexas: haha

[9:06] Student4 UTexas: So, everyone, What is the relationship between leadership and compassion?

[9:06] You: So, leadership, what it do?

[9:07] Student3 UTexas: We're doing "What is a leader

[9:07] Student2 UTexas: Whthats for next discussion (fyi)

[9:07] Student2 UTexas: yes

[9:07] Student2 UTexas: WHAT IS A LEADER?

[9:07] Student4 UTexas: I don't personally see myself as a leader. I guess I'm leading some important architectual projects

[9:07] Student4 UTexas: (I'm a pretty humble guy)

[9:07] Student2 UTexas: Well I do not thingk of myself as a leader. I have a wondeful wife and a wonderful family and job, ut I woud not think that I am a leader in anyone's eyes.

[9:08] Student3 UTexas: A leader is one who can inspire, one who acts with charisma and strength to bring the many together under one ideal

[9:08] You: Diplo's playlist is rocking this place!

[9:08] Student4 UTexas: Well I think we all fit that criteria

[9:08] Student2 UTexas: To m,e a leader is someone very spiritual who lives a life of simpliciy and goodness

[9:09] You: The real heroes are the unexceptional people

[9:09] Student3 UTexas: but a leader must lead

[9:09] Student4 UTexas: I think there are many different types of leaders and heroes

[9:09] Student3 UTexas: he must want change

[9:09] Student2 UTexas: I would, without a doubt, consider Jesus a hero.

[9:09] Student4 UTexas: JEsus was a religious leader

[9:09] You: Nah X, leaders just do their thing

[9:09] Student4 UTexas: Diplo is a cultural/artist leaer

[9:10] Student3 UTexas: what is a leaders "thing"?

[9:10] Student4 UTexas: Grandpa is a role model

[9:10] You: Just what he do, mang

[9:10] Student2 UTexas: what do you think you do that would make you a leader in someones else's ees?

[9:10] Student2 UTexas: *eyes

[9:10] Student3 UTexas: What does a leader do then?

[9:10] Student4 UTexas: Make a difference

[9:10] Student4 UTexas: Do something memorable

[9:10] Student3 UTexas: strive for change, yes

[9:10] Student2 UTexas: es Gaudi, i agree

[9:10] You: Acts like a naormal homie

[9:10] Student4 UTexas: haha

[9:11] Student3 UTexas: but one must not simply do something memorable to be a leader

[9:11] You: You can't be struttin around like you that new freshness

[9:11] Student4 UTexas: what is this "new freshness" you speak of?

[9:11] Student3 UTexas: yes, what is it, Diplo. I do not undestand...

[9:12] You: You can't be cocky. dudes

[9:12] You: You goota be humble

[9:12] You: Stay on the level

[9:12] Student3 UTexas: to be a leader?

[9:12] Student4 UTexas: Malcolm X, aren't you pretty cocky?

[9:12] Student2 UTexas: A leader is one that takes action, that is not afraid to act by what they feel deep within their heart, no matter who is watching. A leader is a mother, a brother, and maybe teacher or friend. They are people in your daily life that influence you to do what is right.

[9:12] Student3 UTexas: To be a leader you must rise above all else

[9:12] Student4 UTexas: In pursuit of...

[9:12] Student4 UTexas: truth?

[9:12] Student2 UTexas: yes

[9:13] You: In pursuit of the human spirit

[9:13] You: We've all got it dog

[9:13] Student2 UTexas: truth and righteousness for those around you

[9:13] You: Just tap into that

[9:13] Student3 UTexas: for there to be leaders there must be followers. Such a scheme would not exist with everyone on a plain level

[9:13] You: Put it in your pocket

[9:13] Student2 UTexas: Do you guys consider yourself leaders?

[9:13] Student4 UTexas: I suppose that's true, X. But don't you think everyone has goals?

[9:13] Student3 UTexas: I do, Yes

[9:13] You: I'm leading a campaign for hott jams and world peace

[9:14] Student3 UTexas: Yes people do have goals, some manifest it by being a proponent of change, others manifest it by following those people

[9:14] Student2 UTexas: Malcom why do you see yurself as a leader?

[9:14] Student4 UTexas: I'm still confused about the line between leaders and heroes...are we supposed to be talking about both?

[9:14] You: Man, we can just do what we does

[9:14] Student3 UTexas: I see myself as a leader because I lead, I rally people for what I believe is right

[9:15] Student3 UTexas: We're not discussing heroes at the moment, simply "what is a leader"

[9:15] Student4 UTexas: Ok

[9:15] You: You lead when your into what your love

[9:15] Student2 UTexas: I think for the next few minutes we are supposed to be talking about leaders. My friend sam is a great guy who led me to a sucesssful careeer in the pipe repair buisness. but i wuld not say that he is my hero, simply an influentionl companion

[9:15] You: You make it hot for the people

[9:15] You: Keep it fresh and real

[9:15] Student4 UTexas: Well we decided a leader sees a need for change, right?

[9:15] Student3 UTexas: yes

[9:16] You: Yeah, who wants to chill in the status quo?

[9:16] Student3 UTexas: the change may be small, it may be grand. But it must be change

[9:16] Student2 UTexas: or maybe a leader could be a role model, someone who leads by example

[9:16] Student4 UTexas: Well I suppose I fit that description--I try to change the way people see the world

[9:16] You: Kids hit me up on MySpace all the time, I tell them what it do

[9:16] Student3 UTexas: Well, then that makes you a leader does it not?

[9:16] Student4 UTexas: MySpace scares me

[9:17] Student2 UTexas: I do not think I am a hero, but I may be a leader in the church and in my family

[9:17] Student3 UTexas: Diplo, do you strive for change through your music?

[9:17] You: Nah, I want to expose

[9:17] Student2 UTexas: what is my space?

[9:17] You: I want to unearth minerals

[9:17] Student4 UTexas: ooooh grandpa

[9:17] Student3 UTexas: And you, Giardina, you strive for change in te hearts of your family and church members, am I wrong?

[9:17] Student2 UTexas: sorry. i am out of the loop thse days

[9:17] Student4 UTexas: you should get a blog

[9:17] You: Yous real, gramps.

[9:18] Student2 UTexas: I guess you coul say that, but i do not set out for that particular purpose, I jut live a good life and hope that others catch on, but yes, for change

[9:18] You: Like that Lil Scrappy jawn "Be Real"

[9:18] Student3 UTexas: You wish to expose, Diplo?

[9:18] You: Yeah man, the beats are l;ike minerals

[9:18] You: You mine that shit

[9:18] Student4 UTexas: you are just full of metaphors, diplo

[9:18] Student2 UTexas: The beats are like minerals...this is not a familiar expression to me.

[9:18] Student3 UTexas: what do you wish to expose with your music, then?

[9:19] You: Thy're out there, just nobody dug to em yet

[9:19] You: The universe, mang

[9:19] Student4 UTexas: how do you craft your music?/

[9:19] Student3 UTexas: then you strive to open the eyes of those who have not witnessed your mineral beats

[9:19] Student3 UTexas: do you not?

[9:19] You: I do most of my stuff in Bodymore these days

[9:20] Student2 UTexas: I do not belive I have heard your "beats" what are the lyrics about?

[9:20] Student4 UTexas: these beats, do you create them? or find them? or combine things you have unearthed

[9:20] You: Yeah, people don't know the next level ish coming out of third world countries

[9:20] You: I release stuff from all over on my label

[9:20] You: MAD DECENT RECORDS 2007

[9:20] Student3 UTexas: then you are changing their outlook on such issues

[9:20] You: And I make my own too

[9:20] You: I DJ most nights

[9:20] Student3 UTexas: changing their outlook on the third world

[9:21] Student4 UTexas: fantastical!

[9:21] You: Hit up that hollertronix website for details

[9:21] Student2 UTexas: What are the songs about

[9:21] You: Feelings, man

[9:21] Student3 UTexas: would you consider yourself a leader?

[9:21] You: They been supressed for decades

[9:21] You: Just letting that pain out

[9:21] You: Like a saftey valve

[9:21] Student4 UTexas: I think Diplo's a leader. He's changing the way people listen and what people feel

[9:21] Student3 UTexas: If youre trying to help get the pain out, are you a leader?

[9:22] Student2 UTexas: I try to use that dang internet stoff, but I am just no good at it. My grandson Nathan and my Grandaught, Emily always try to teach me, but I just cannot understand how it knows so much about everything.

[9:22] You: Let off steam, nawmean?

[9:22] Student3 UTexas: I agree, If he can bring a large grop of people together under a common interest, then he must be a leader

[9:22] Student4 UTexas: What about compassion?

[9:22] Student2 UTexas: That sounds very plausible

[9:22] You: You gotta show love to errbody

[9:22] Student3 UTexas: Compassion in a leader?

[9:22] Student4 UTexas: yes

[9:22] Student2 UTexas: compassion is the only way to life a fufilling life

[9:23] Student2 UTexas: without it, you are nothing

[9:23] Student4 UTexas: is it necessary to be compassionate to be a leader?

[9:23] Student3 UTexas: Indeed, but does leadership truly involve it?

[9:23] You: If you gonna be bout, be trill bout it

[9:23] Student3 UTexas: was Hitler compassionate?

[9:23] Student2 UTexas: I would say yes

[9:23] Student2 UTexas: not about hitler

[9:23] Student4 UTexas: X, tell us about your journey and how in the end, you found compassion

[9:23] You: Man, Hitler was some wack ish

[9:23] Student2 UTexas: that damned man

[9:23] Student3 UTexas: Me?

[9:23] Student4 UTexas: yes

[9:23] You: Gaudi, yous got some pretty crunk buildings

[9:24] Student3 UTexas: After I completed my pilgrimage to mecca, I learned the truth about Islam

[9:24] Student4 UTexas: I know, right?

[9:24] Student3 UTexas: True Islam is a religion of Brotherhood

[9:24] You: Yeah, playa!

[9:24] Student2 UTexas: I think Christianity is better

[9:24] You: You know whats good

[9:24] You: Bump that elistist ish

[9:24] Student2 UTexas: But I would love to hear more about this Islam thatyou talk about

[9:24] Student4 UTexas: k is diplo oing to do hat

[9:24] Student3 UTexas: well, I suppose we'll have to leave this discussion for later

[9:24] You: Yeah mang

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Forum: Avatar Chat      Times Read: 1

Date: Tue Feb 27 2007 11:26

Author: Singapura, Prianka <prianka.singapura@bba06.mccombs.utexas.edu>

Subject: Office 1

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[9:04] Student6 UTexas: yes, i have

[9:04] Student10 UTexas: What do you think about it, then?

[9:05] Student5 UTexas: so i do believe we are supposed to discuss what makes a hero

[9:05] Student6 UTexas: yes you are right, motha

[9:05] Student16 UTexas: Have you considered Rehab?

[9:05] Student15 UTexas: Where is that fly cat Shobha?

[9:05] Student15 UTexas: I've been there, man.

[9:05] You: im here sorry

[9:05] Student17 UTexas: Good morning Shobha

[9:05] You: okay

[9:05] Student15 UTexas: HOW YOU DOIN THIS MORNIN?

[9:05] Student18 UTexas: Good morning

[9:05] Student16 UTexas: Afternoon Shobha, how nice of you to join us?

[9:06] You: Good Morning everyone

[9:06] Student16 UTexas: So, what's the agenda for today's meeting? I have to go hunt something with my bare hands in a few hours.

[9:06] You: sorry i am late

[9:06] Student18 UTexas: its not noon yet?!?

[9:06] You: So lets talk about the meaning of a leader

[9:06] You: who wants to start

[9:06] You: Okay

[9:06] You: I will

[9:07] Student18 UTexas: kk

[9:07] Student15 UTexas: Man, I think Teddy should start. He was the leader of a big nation, eh?

[9:07] Student15 UTexas: That's coo.

[9:07] Student16 UTexas: Of course, and I shall.

[9:07] Student17 UTexas: Yes, tell us about bein a leader, Teddy

[9:07] You: To me, a leader is someone who others can emulate.

[9:07] Student16 UTexas: Or would you like to start us off, Shobha?

[9:07] Student15 UTexas: Shobha, you're a fly cat.

[9:07] You: Just did, go ahead Teddy!

[9:07] Student16 UTexas: Precisely. therefore a leader must be strong for his people

[9:07] Student15 UTexas: Yeah, yeah.

[9:07] Student15 UTexas: What if he ain't got people?

[9:07] Student16 UTexas: He must not falter in his decisions. He cannot be hesitant

[9:08] Student17 UTexas: True, leaders must be brave and set a good example for their followers.

[9:08] Student16 UTexas: Then he will attract people with his charisma

[9:08] Student18 UTexas: That's what I believe in: leadership anyone can emulate. A down to earth example of how to live life

[9:08] You: If he does not have people. than a leader should have conviction in his beliefs

[9:08] Student16 UTexas: Exactly.

[9:08] Student16 UTexas: There is no grey area.

[9:08] Student15 UTexas: Leaders have to find their own inspiration.

[9:08] You: to answer your question Dave

[9:09] Student15 UTexas: Their true reflection. Somethin deep down inside of them. That's what others can emulate, man.

[9:09] You: Yes

[9:09] Student16 UTexas: Bill, what is your poetic wishy wash on this?

[9:09] Student18 UTexas: True reflection!!! I like that

[9:09] You: I also think that a good leader is someone who's actions follow their convictions.

[9:09] Student17 UTexas: Indeed a leader is the most glorious thing o ne could aspire to be.

[9:09] Student15 UTexas: Bill, I wrote a song entitld that. You might like it.

[9:09] You: Action is just as important as ideas

[9:10] Student17 UTexas: But I would like to ask your opinion about leaders who fail, or who aren't loved by their people. Are they still leaders?

[9:10] Student16 UTexas: I concur Shobha, a leader must commit to something and not look back

[9:10] You: This action is what creates a distinction between a visionary and a leader.

[9:10] Student16 UTexas: As long as the person stays true to him or her self, they are still their own leaders.

[9:10] You: Let's talk about Shakespeare's question (are you number 17)?

[9:10] Student15 UTexas: True, and people don't have to necessarily love you to follow you.

[9:11] Student17 UTexas: Yes

[9:11] Student16 UTexas: We cannot limit a leader to a group.

[9:11] Student15 UTexas: Like, damn, Bill - those frilly collars you wear are a little crazy for me. But you write some good stuff.

[9:11] You: Hang on

[9:11] Student17 UTexas: Thank you David.

[9:11] Student15 UTexas: Don't got to love them to follow them.

[9:11] You: let's talk about the absence of a following.

[9:11] Student16 UTexas: I enjoy your song entitled, "Gravedigger," David.

[9:11] Student15 UTexas: Thanks, Ted.

[9:11] You: Let's stop talking about Dave's awesome songs

[9:12] Student15 UTexas: "Find some inspiration, it's down deep inside of you. And in your situation, your whole life is ahead of you."

[9:12] You: That's actually relevant

[9:12] Student15 UTexas: I thought that might be appropriate for the leadership forum we got goin on.

[9:12] You: Yes.

[9:12] Student17 UTexas: So are we all leaders for following our own inspiration?

[9:13] Student18 UTexas: That's the key: using your experiences and skills to lead others

[9:13] You: But can inspiration not come from an external source?

[9:13] Student15 UTexas: It can come from both inside and out.

[9:13] You: From others suffering?

[9:13] Student17 UTexas: I agree

[9:13] Student16 UTexas: Yes. When all else fails, as long as we are true and committed to our own beliefs, we will be leaders.

[9:13] You: What about leaders versus heroes?

[9:13] Student15 UTexas: We lead our body every which way every step we take. of course we're leaders.

[9:13] You: Is a leader a hero?

[9:13] Student18 UTexas: we become heros when our leadership helps others

[9:14] You: It seems to me that people think a hero is someone who's leadership has been successful

[9:14] Student16 UTexas: When we are finally able to see the product of our leadership, I believe that is what constitutes a hero.

[9:14] Student17 UTexas: I think hero has more to do with how others perceive you

[9:14] Student17 UTexas: You might be a leader to everyone, but not a Hero to everyone

[9:14] You: okay explain that Will

[9:14] You: okay

[9:14] Student15 UTexas: Life's like a desert: where does it go, and where does it begin? A hero's life has a place it's goin

[9:14] Student18 UTexas: hitler was a leader

[9:14] You: So a hero is more subjective than a leader?

[9:15] Student16 UTexas: But Hitler was also seen as a Hero of his people.

[9:15] Student15 UTexas: Hitler was not a cool cat.

[9:15] Student17 UTexas: Exactly

[9:15] You: That's who i was thinking of...

[9:15] Student17 UTexas: But he is not a hero to others, I hear. I don't know very much about him

[9:15] You: so Hitler was a leader, not necessarily a hero to everyone

[9:15] Student17 UTexas: He was after my time.

[9:15] Student16 UTexas: I admire his leadership capabilities. However, his character is questionable.

[9:15] You: haha

[9:15] Student15 UTexas: He had weird facial hair, man.

[9:15] You: I think that a leader must have certain attributes

[9:15] Student17 UTexas: In my world, I think the Queen is both a leader and a hero

[9:16] You: like they say, there are natural-born leaders

[9:16] Student17 UTexas: She maintains a good rule of her people and is a strong person

[9:16] Student15 UTexas: And proof that a leader doesn't have to be foxy.

[9:16] You: haha

[9:16] You: definitely not foxy

[9:16] Student18 UTexas: rotfl

[9:16] Student15 UTexas: You don't have to love them to follow them.

[9:16] You: But that doesn't make sense to me

[9:16] Student16 UTexas: What is that strange language you are speaking, Elleny?

[9:16] Student18 UTexas: lol

[9:16] You: you have to believe in what yu are following right

[9:17] Student15 UTexas: Nah, nah.

[9:17] Student18 UTexas: you dont

[9:17] Student17 UTexas: The minds of the people are easily swayed.

[9:17] Student15 UTexas: Consider the situation we got goin on in this dem-ocracy we got.

[9:17] You: You don't have to believe in what you follow?

[9:17] Student16 UTexas: There is a fine line between leadership and manipulation.

[9:17] Student18 UTexas: not at all

[9:17] Student18 UTexas: it might make you more effective

[9:17] You: okay...but people should believe in what they follow

[9:17] Student18 UTexas: but there are many leaders who dont

[9:17] Student15 UTexas: Not everybody loves Mr. George Bush, but they follow him.

[9:17] Student18 UTexas: they should

[9:17] Student17 UTexas: When Caesar was killed, he the people flocked to Brutus through his manipulation. However, when Antny took the stage they immediately switched to follow him.

[9:18] You: then i would not consider them a true leader if they don't have conviction in their beliefs

[9:18] Student17 UTexas: Are Brutus and Antony leaders?

[9:18] Student16 UTexas: Who is this Bush? He sounds like a controversial man.

[9:18] Student17 UTexas: Indeed he does.

[9:18] Student15 UTexas: Nowadays though, peple are still just as easily swayed, but the circumstances have changed. You can't just go killin your leaders now.

[9:18] Student18 UTexas: how can one tell if a historical figure truely believes in what they said he or she believed in

[9:18] You: Is anyone who has a following a leader? that sounds like a base definition of a leader

[9:18] Student18 UTexas: sure you can

[9:18] Student16 UTexas: You must see it in their actions.

[9:18] Student18 UTexas: look abroad

[9:19] Student16 UTexas: I enjoy nature. That is why I established numerous national parks and wild life preserves.

[9:19] Student18 UTexas: there have been assasinations in the US too

[9:19] Student15 UTexas: Yeah, yeah. but it's not the kosher thing to do.

[9:19] You: haha

[9:19] Student16 UTexas: I have been informed of an instance where a young charismatic man by the name the Kennedy was assassinated.

[9:19] Student17 UTexas: Such strange language in you modern fellows.

[9:19] Student15 UTexas: We all caught up in administravia now, man.

[9:20] You: okay, but what are you getting at ellen?

[9:20] Student18 UTexas: i dont know

[9:20] Student18 UTexas: i forgot

[9:20] Student15 UTexas: She had a big weekend, Shob.

[9:20] Student17 UTexas: Would the men who assassinated Presidents be heroes then?

[9:20] Student16 UTexas: Indeed, I caught a glimpse on my picture screen!

[9:20] Student18 UTexas: i am still recovering from that brutal snake attack

[9:20] Student18 UTexas: those shadows are viscious

[9:21] Student15 UTexas: They might be considered leaders, but heroes? That's scary. That's halloween stuff.

[9:21] Student16 UTexas: They are their own leaders.

[9:21] Student15 UTexas: Yeah, yeah.

[9:21] Student18 UTexas: if a man (or woman) is a hero is entirely subjective

[9:21] You: so i think we are agreeing then that leaders are anyone who has a following

[9:21] Student15 UTexas: or they're leading themselves.

[9:21] Student18 UTexas: true

[9:21] You: whereas a hero is up for debate

[9:21] Student17 UTexas: Indeed,

[9:21] Student15 UTexas: hero is all sorts of quesion marks.

[9:22] You: so we are not making it sound difficult to become a hero

[9:22] You: i mean a leader

[9:22] Student16 UTexas: There are numerous definitions of what a Hero ought to be.

[9:22] You: it sounds like i can declare myself a leader

[9:22] Student15 UTexas: A hero has to emerge successfully, baby.

[9:22] Student18 UTexas: I love you Shakesphere

[9:22] Student16 UTexas: Well, you have done a mighty fine job leading us, Shobha.

[9:22] Student15 UTexas: Pop out of that soul cocoon.

[9:22] Student18 UTexas: and Teddy, please dont hit me

[9:22] You: okay, and a leader just has to believe in himself and his cause

[9:23] Student15 UTexas: And he's got to find that inspiration.

[9:23] Student16 UTexas: Becareful, Ellen.

[9:23] Student17 UTexas: Quite a well directed conversation we have had.

[9:23] You: okay well since we only have a few minutes left in this amazing discussion does anyone have any final thoughts that are on topic?

[9:23] Student18 UTexas: I still dont believe that a leader has to belive in his or her cause

[9:23] You: just himself?

[9:23] Student17 UTexas: Do you not believe in your cause?

[9:23] Student18 UTexas: or even himself

[9:24] You: than what?

[9:24] Student17 UTexas: I don't think they would be a true leader without true convictions

[9:24] You: yes

[9:24] Student16 UTexas: Then what will label him as a leader?

[9:24] You: i concur

[9:24] Student15 UTexas: If you don't have a cause and you just wanderin' round aimlessly, you no kind of leader at all.

[9:24] Student18 UTexas: People lead simply for the powerr

[9:24] Student15 UTexas: We gotta go, babies.

[9:24] You: it is a question of power

[9:24] Student18 UTexas: in many cases

[9:24] Student17 UTexas: Well farewell my friends.

[9:24] You: okay thanks for coming

[9:24] Student16 UTexas: Good day, gentleman and ladies.

[9:24] Student18 UTexas: goodbye

[9:24] Student15 UTexas: GOOD NIGHT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

[9:24] You: i know you all have very busy lives!

[9:24] You: Good afternoon

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Date: Tue Feb 27 2007 11:26

Author: Fu, Alexandra <alexandra.fu@mail.utexas.edu>

Subject: 1st Session: Campfire Green Balls

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Frank Warren - Alexandra Fu, Student 10

Mother Teresa - Megan Gilbert, Student 5

Bill Gates - Eric Hui Student 6

Kenneth Peters - Amanda Jones, Student 7

 

[9:00] Student5 UTexas is Online

[9:00] Student13 UTexas: hello all

[9:00] Student12 UTexas: Greetings

[9:00] Student13 UTexas: let us all introduce one antoher

[9:00] Student11 UTexas: greetings

[9:01] You: Hi everyone

[9:01] Student6 UTexas: hellow guys

[9:01] Student6 UTexas: who are ya'll

[9:02] Student6 UTexas: number 7 abd 10?

[9:02] Student6 UTexas: where is f warren

[9:02] You: Hi, I'm Frank

[9:03] Student5 UTexas: im mother teresa

[9:03] Student7 UTexas: Hi, I'm Student 7 / Kenneth Peters, a youth director from Houston

[9:03] Student6 UTexas: oh hellow mr. peters

[9:03] Student6 UTexas: shall we begin?

[9:03] You: Nice to meet everyone

[9:03] Student6 UTexas: who is f. warren

[9:04] Student14 UTexas is Online

[9:04] You: I am

[9:04] Student6 UTexas: i know that

[9:04] Student6 UTexas: what do you do?

[9:04] You: I founded the PosteSecret blog

[9:04] You: where people can put their secrets on postcards

[9:04] Student6 UTexas: oh ok cool

[9:04] Student5 UTexas: thats interesting

[9:04] Student6 UTexas: i love post secret

[9:04] You: So you've seen the site before?

[9:04] Student6 UTexas: yes, i have

[9:04] You: What do you think about it, then?

[9:05] Student5 UTexas: so i do believe we are supposed to discuss what makes a hero

[9:05] Student6 UTexas: yes you are right, motha

[9:05] Student5 UTexas: haha

[9:05] Student7 UTexas: first, shall we take turns?

[9:05] You: what makes a leader, actually

[9:05] Student5 UTexas: sorry for the wrong word choice

[9:06] Student6 UTexas: well, a leader is someone who shows dedication

[9:06] You: so what does everyone think a general definition is?

[9:06] Student6 UTexas: first of all

[9:06] You: a basic denotation

[9:06] Student5 UTexas: this is extremely hard to come up with a definition

[9:07] Student7 UTexas: a leader is someone who follows their passion without regard for what the rest of the world thinks

[9:07] Student6 UTexas: i agree. can we say that we are all leaders then?

[9:07] Student5 UTexas: why dont we first say what they need to do then come up with a definition?

[9:07] You: but if it's without regard for what the rest of the world thinks

[9:07] Student6 UTexas: does a leader involved other people or just one's self

[9:07] You: who are they leading?

[9:07] Student6 UTexas: that's what i was wondering

[9:07] Student5 UTexas: but doesnt the term leader imply that they are "leading"?

[9:07] Student5 UTexas: can you lead yourself

[9:07] Student5 UTexas: or must you affect others?

[9:08] Student6 UTexas: i think you have to affect others

[9:08] Student5 UTexas: i agree

[9:08] Student6 UTexas: if you are a hermit, i don't feel you are a leader

[9:08] Student7 UTexas: if you're following a dream, even if it's by yourself at first, i think others will follow

[9:08] Student7 UTexas: but if you're constantly worried about what the world thinks, then you will never take the initiative to change it

[9:08] You: I think that's the difference between a hero and a leader

[9:08] Student6 UTexas: hmm, that's interesting. i don't think you call that person a leader until he affects others

[9:08] You: a hero can follow their passion independently

[9:08] Student6 UTexas: oh yes.

[9:08] You: but a leader must take others into account

[9:08] Student5 UTexas: true but if you have a dream to create the worlds largest homeless shelter but never engage the help of others and do it all by yourself have you really lead?

[9:08] Student6 UTexas: i agree

[9:09] Student6 UTexas: yes, i agree with frank

[9:09] Student7 UTexas: would not involving anyone really be the best way of following that passion?

[9:09] Student7 UTexas: i don't think it would

[9:09] You: that's not to say a hero can't also affect others

[9:09] Student5 UTexas: youve made this world a better place but you havent better another individual character

[9:09] Student7 UTexas: so in following your passion you would end up leading others

[9:09] Student6 UTexas: well, i see where kenneth peters is coming from

[9:10] You: well, does being a leader always mean you make the world a better place?

[9:10] Student6 UTexas: but i feel that you doing your own thing isn't good enough

[9:10] Student5 UTexas: ok but what if you dont inspire others?

[9:10] You: Hitler was obviously a leader, but definitely no hero

[9:10] Student5 UTexas: are you a leader then?

[9:10] Student6 UTexas: you have to have the desire to help others

[9:10] You: we think about notorious such dictators

[9:10] You: who obviously could lead

[9:10] You: or at least control

[9:10] You: but did they even have the desire to help others?

[9:10] Student5 UTexas: perhaps a leader is one who blazes their own trail in order to allow others the opportunity to follow

[9:10] Student6 UTexas: a good leader, in the basic sense then, is someone who can spur others to action

[9:11] Student6 UTexas: hitler was a leader because he organized people

[9:11] Student7 UTexas: right, not necessarily because they helped people

[9:11] You: I agree with all of those statements

[9:11] Student6 UTexas: in the business sence, ceo's are good leaders, though not always moral

[9:11] Student7 UTexas: true

[9:11] Student5 UTexas: i like the way we are all talking with our hands

[9:11] You: right, but they can inspire others, and set things into motion

[9:12] Student5 UTexas: perhaps thats all a leader truly does

[9:12] You: give others an opportunity to follow

[9:12] You: to set things in motions

[9:12] You: *motion

[9:12] Student6 UTexas: can we discuss what we've done as leaders then?

[9:12] Student7 UTexas: ideally, a good leader would be both compassionate and inspiring, but i suppose the compassionate part should be a discussion for another time

[9:12] Student5 UTexas: exactly

[9:12] You: well, again

[9:12] You: not necessarily

[9:12] Student5 UTexas: to all the above

[9:12] You: even the dictators were technically "good leaders"

[9:12] You: think about how Hitler originally inspired the masses

[9:13] Student6 UTexas: yes, percisely

[9:13] Student7 UTexas: i agree, that's why i say 'ideally'

[9:13] Student5 UTexas: well an IDEAL leader would have compassion

[9:13] You: unless by "good" we mean ideally moral

[9:13] You: alright

[9:13] You: well, then, how about all of us?

[9:13] Student6 UTexas: well, i am a leader

[9:13] Student5 UTexas: i am as well

[9:13] Student6 UTexas: in both the business sense and compassionate sense

[9:14] Student5 UTexas: thats the reason we are all here

[9:14] Student6 UTexas: i agree

[9:14] Student6 UTexas: but what makes us different then?

[9:14] Student6 UTexas: we're leaders in different ways

[9:14] Student7 UTexas: Bill, how are you being a leader in the business world?

[9:14] Student5 UTexas: do we all have compassion? isnt that one of the main reasons we were chosen?

[9:15] Student6 UTexas: well, i am chairman and cofounder of microsoft. i am a leader in the business world and i run the company well

[9:15] Student6 UTexas: i'm not sure if there's much compassion in business

[9:15] Student5 UTexas: and you have made youself quite wealthy!

[9:15] Student6 UTexas: but outside of business,i've founded the bill and melinda gates foundation

[9:15] Student5 UTexas: do you gve your money to charities?

[9:15] Student6 UTexas: which has an endowment of over 35 billioni

[9:15] You: how do you reconcile the two, then?

[9:15] You: in terms of business vs. compassion

[9:15] Student5 UTexas: are you philantrophic? you could be a leader in that area

[9:15] You: since you said yourself there isn't much compassion is business

[9:16] Student6 UTexas: addtionally, i've encouraged warren buffet to donate 80% of his billions to charit too

[9:16] You: does the foundation compensate for the lack in the business world?

[9:16] Student6 UTexas: i think it does

[9:16] Student6 UTexas: take for example rockefelle, carnige, vanderbilt

[9:16] Student5 UTexas: another way you could bring compassion to busines